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vertical line Posted on Jul.28.2018 @ 06:13PM EDT by Enver m.
I begin practicing zazen.And here I share my first ten zazen experience;
Please do share your thoughts;
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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line I did my first zazen.

15 min.

let open the window half open. was very helpful. i think this is necessary for to cultivate the right mind and attention. each time when i get lost in thoughts the noises from outside take me back.

eary sense was prior

was groggy



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20 min. passed like one minute

i don't understand this.i was expecting just the opposite

Anyway, i will do zazen regularly one time for each day +read one internet page about zazen

i think it will be good to catch the hungry times for zazen

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Jul.28.2018
06:17PM EDT 
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vertical line second zazen

10 min.

first try early in the morning

window was half open

too many thoughts, must develop a calm mind

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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line did my third zazen

7.37 min

i begin to understand zazen mind: This is no head zen, you don't know anything, expect nothing. as if you don't have a mind just like a clear mirror being without mind.i believe zen will fill this emptiness in the future. so that i will find my head.Good news!

i notice another thing is 13:00/13:30 am is when my hunger begins.(for zazen) so the best suitable time

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Jul.28.2018
06:22PM EDT 
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vertical line did my fourth zazen

as soon as the six senses merge, the gate is entered

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Jul.28.2018
06:37PM EDT 
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vertical line did my fifth zazen

Yes headlessness occur

Ear, Seeing and touch becoming clear

At this time you know nothin

Keep this mind whole day
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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line sixth zazen

Everything is zazen, zazen in everything

no plan, no calculation, no thoughts.Just emptiness.And there is nothing more

ps
I understand why i should keep my back straight, because zazen is Just Sitting.(When no calculation back is straight)
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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line seventh zazen

zazen is just sitting


ps. I understand Zen.

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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line eighth zazen

I begin to do zazen.

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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line ninth zazen

Have i done right by beginning?

More than doing zazen i should understand zazen

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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line tenth zazen

what is it?




personal thing

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Jul.28.2018
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vertical line MADNESS is over.
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Jul.30.2018
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Aug.01.2018
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vertical line Did not want to disturb your journal
However, you should find a teacher to show you the practice in its correct form
Then practice with the teacher to continue to practice in its correct form

Practice by yourself will fade.
Very few have ever gotten anywhere without the practice beginning with a teacher

Good luck
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Aug.01.2018
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vertical line Huike, (the second patriarch of zen in china) didn't have a teacher until he came to the door of the enlightenment, right?

Finally a teacher had become near to him and find him.Unfortunately, he had refused the teacher at the first meeting.
There were no bus or train at those times.
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Aug.01.2018
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vertical line Matter is a good teacher. So, a word to the wise: stay clear of the Digital Puritans, cod zen and their controlling ilk. I mean when did you last take a drink from W.A.T.E.R. ?
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Aug.01.2018
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vertical line WhenevEr I sEe some frEsh Avisitor outagE, my mind entErs scrEEnsaver modE.
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Aug.01.2018
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vertical line Q. Scratch the surface of Avisitor and what do you find?

A. A permanent marker.
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vertical line Quote: "Huike, (the second patriarch of zen in china) didn't have a teacher until he came to the door of the enlightenment, right?

Finally a teacher had become near to him and find him.Unfortunately, he had refused the teacher at the first meeting.
There were no bus or train at those times.
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You are not the second patriarch.
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You make your own Hell.
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Aug.02.2018
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Huike, (the second patriarch of zen in china) didn't have a teacher until he came to the door of the enlightenment, right?

Finally a teacher had become near to him and find him.Unfortunately, he had refused the teacher at the first meeting.
There were no bus or train at those times.
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You are not the second patriarch.
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And I won't be the last

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Aug.03.2018
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vertical line Quote: "Matter is a good teacher."
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Thank you phil.i understand.That's all what I'm trying to be, i mean to be like a material.i think i will keep this mind in whole my life time, not yet entered the gate but at least i'm at the gate..eh?..

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Aug.03.2018
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vertical line why do i have to discover everything about zen by myself?
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Aug.03.2018
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vertical line practicing zen in a Muslim country with a perfect english.
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Aug.04.2018
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vertical line Keep the lasagne flying and remember: if you plant turnips, don't expect to harvest corn.
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Aug.04.2018
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vertical line Quote: "why do i have to discover everything about zen by myself?"
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I don't understand the question
If you don't do it then who will do it for you??
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Aug.07.2018
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Aug.10.2018
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Aug.10.2018
01:22PM EDT 
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vertical line Every created thing is like
A dream, an illusion, a bubble,
A dewdrop, a flash of lightning.
View all created things like this.


The Diamond Sutra
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Aug.19.2018
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vertical line Is zen to be surrender?
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Aug.19.2018
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Aug.19.2018
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vertical line Perfect duality.
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vertical line Quote: "Every created thing is like
A dream, an illusion, a bubble,
A dewdrop, a flash of lightning.
View all created things like this.


The Diamond Sutra
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The key word is "View"

How are you going to trust that your viewing [of this part of the Diamond Sutra] is a genuine look at "created things" actually, in actual experience... The view here is yet to be determined whether it is true or false [For you.]
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Aug.21.2018
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vertical line Don't see.Don't hear.Don't speak.
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Aug.21.2018
01:48PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "I did my first zazen.

15 min.

let open the window half open. was very helpful. i think this is necessary for to cultivate the right mind and attention. each time when i get lost in thoughts the noises from outside take me back.

eary sense was prior

was groggy



Ps.
20 min. passed like one minute

i don't understand this.i was expecting just the opposite

Anyway, i will do zazen regularly one time for each day +read one internet page about zazen

i think it will be good to catch the hungry times for zazen

"
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Aug.21.2018
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vertical line People are teams.

Don't bother them.

Do you.
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Aug.21.2018
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vertical line I have talk enough.
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Aug.22.2018
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Aug.22.2018
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vertical line Quote: "People are teams."
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Whiskey team
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Aug.22.2018
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Aug.22.2018
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Aug.22.2018
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Aug.22.2018
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Aug.22.2018
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vertical line It's a deep stuff.
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Aug.23.2018
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vertical line AC/DC
Hells Bells
(Official Video)
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q

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Aug.23.2018
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vertical line Rammstein - Feuer und Wasser
(20% lower pitch)
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=kO5l1mjE2x4
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Aug.23.2018
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Aug.24.2018
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Aug.24.2018
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Every created thing is like
A dream, an illusion, a bubble,
A dewdrop, a flash of lightning.
View all created things like this.


The Diamond Sutra
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The key word is "View"

How are you going to trust that your viewing [of this part of the Diamond Sutra] is a genuine look at "created things" actually, in actual experience... The view here is yet to be determined whether it is true or false [For you.]
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This is grasping sand
The harder you try to hold it in your hand the more it slips away from you
Practice .. hold firmly .. but not too tight
It will come and fill your life
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Aug.27.2018
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vertical line "hold firmly...but not too tight"

I will try that.
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Aug.27.2018
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vertical line When you turn to auto or auto pilot everything happens as it happens..kinda balance point..interesting/
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vertical line interesting feeling that comes after your vitality exhausted

or like the feeling that comes after a while when you feel very angry and tired

or like a stillness after a hurricane

one thing that's for
sure that it is 'in' stillness
you find.
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vertical line you become to tired that you don't even want to think
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Aug.27.2018
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people are drinking to be able to find this mi
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Aug.27.2018
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and you bring me here after all.
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people are drinking to be able to get this mind
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Aug.27.2018
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vertical line May be i shouldn't take everything this 'serious-ly'.

questioning the term "attention".

WHY do i chew on everything?
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vertical line I've find where I make the mistake.

That is I didn't know the difference between the right concentration and the right mindfulness.

or in my terms the difference between the concentration and meditation.

My mind was contuniously in a state of concentration.for different reasons.

Now I get aware of this.

I DECIDE TO GIVE UP CONCENTRATION.

BUT ONLY KEEP THE MEDITATION MIND ALWAYS.

I guess THIS MOVE WILL CHANGE the century for me!



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vertical line SO, HOPE TO DEVELOP RIGHT MINDFULNESS.

THIS WILL BE MY FIRST GOAL!!!
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which is what i need
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vertical line Will be good.If I look on my way

cause get tired
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answer: begin meditation

(joke)
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vertical line Could you elaborate some?

you give little information and i remain to find my way with manuel procedure
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vertical line Actualy I'm planing to give up concentration,

my new motto is;
one pointedness of mind
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no concentration
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vertical line Right mindfulness
Right meditation
Right concentration

I have a bit knowledge about them.

I'll begin and focus on right meditation first to awake the right mindfulness and eliminate the concentration.for now.as it will happen by itself.after then it will be right concentration.

right?

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The magic of tribulation.
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vertical line me too.I give up working.I give up anything related money.I give up marriage.
All I concern is mindfulness.
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One-pointedness of mind in daily life

Being a matter in Zazen
http://www.zenguide.com/forum/view.cfm?topicid=9563
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...Headstand or not
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vertical line Quote: "ah I forget I had given up the concentration.

One-pointedness of mind in daily life

Being a matter in Zazen
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What was the meaning of one pointedness of mind?
Maybe you need to know this before giving up on working on one pointedness??
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Reply from Enver m.
Nov.23.2018
02:53PM EDT 
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EMPTY MIND
DAILY LIFE

Learn to empty the mind in Zazen
and put it in daily life!!!

when your daily life become only daily life you succeed

Thus, I call the one-pointedness of mind
I'm a beginner.to learn more you can search for the one-pointedness of mind.
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