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  Chang-ch'o, an educated man, once asked the Chinese Ch'an master Chih-t'sang:
-Is there paradise or hell?
Chih-t'sang replied:
-No.
Chang-ch'o protested:
-That is not correct. When I was studying under the priest... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Aug.30.2019 @ 09:48PM EDT by Bobwidget
Let your energy totally relax to be aware. Not focus it to form an attention.
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line umm i think u will want a book in prison
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line i dont think u can share a cell? unless i run one
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Aug.30.2019
10:21PM EDT 
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vertical line only u 2 have attention nobody else has one? 
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Aug.30.2019
10:22PM EDT 
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vertical line ya focused on my money lol
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Aug.30.2019
10:24PM EDT 
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vertical line only u 2 have tons of energy and tons of attention always focused on the cheap money and pleasure? u are not even zen buddhist
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Aug.30.2019
10:25PM EDT 
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vertical line i dont think u followed a single precept. u also broke the mexican law. u can always gain the mexican blood though.
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Aug.30.2019
10:27PM EDT 
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vertical line no i mean u are not even taoist, when u broke every last precept nothing u did even had any utilitarian value. i did not know how regeressive u 2 were until u wrote it down, i mean i knew u were regressive but not that much lol
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Aug.30.2019
10:28PM EDT 
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vertical line if u cant handle me u cant handle a real sangha it's the same thing
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Aug.30.2019
10:30PM EDT 
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vertical line it is impossible to have no attention unless u have no desires?
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Aug.30.2019
10:33PM EDT 
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vertical line ya and no energy at all. if u are injured for example it will force your attention to feel it, like what happened with Bambi. otherwise I do not know what you mean with doctrine of no attention/attention, u actually practice both between the 2 of u. and my mom used to spout the same stuff. u are asking me a philosophy question or what, i dont know how to answer it tbh
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Aug.30.2019
10:35PM EDT 
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vertical line i followed the precepts, i studied math and econ and art, also Plato and Hegel, i've never been exposed to what u are saying though
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Aug.30.2019
10:37PM EDT 
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vertical line your attentions are focused on my money obviously, and my home, i mean not the whole time but the general direction of it.
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Aug.30.2019
10:44PM EDT 
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vertical line your question does not have context. u are learning a skill? or u are talking to someone with a physical injury, if they have an injury they have to use willpower to negate the attention, it does not relax automatically. Bambi had tremendous willpower
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Aug.30.2019
10:46PM EDT 
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vertical line If you are learning about the world in general then typically u spend more attention so that there are less unknowns, so that the amount of attention u need is lessened in the end, since u are not rechecking everything. if you leave an unknown it usually causes issues requiring more attention again?
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Aug.30.2019
10:50PM EDT 
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vertical line well they use two injection see, they have to disconnect your brain from the senses first, then they stop the heart, i think they used to just stop the heart. death like socrates is actually extremely painful. they did a good job on her but they were not equipped with oxygen therapy, it was mild enough that a cage worked
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Aug.30.2019
10:59PM EDT 
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vertical line hmm what else. it would take more attention to be around u 2, since u both do not train your health and u are always bound together, others take less attention since they train and they move around more freely, they spend smarter too, less attention see
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Aug.30.2019
11:01PM EDT 
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vertical line with u 2 the money is always missing and something always gets knocked over or a health condition goes untreated etc., takes more attention, but it is because u do not use it or u use it wrong
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Aug.30.2019
11:03PM EDT 
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vertical line ya or it is always the wrong medicine or the pantry is a mess, requires more attention in the end. so I actually agree with you but I think it takes proper attention to get to where you want
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line mm i guess he thought my family would handle it but that is an assumption he made without ever talking to everyone, i kinda got gut feelings towards the end that I should have called someone sooner that I wish I followed, cause I had a feeling they wouldn't do anything
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line i guess it was an accident, cause they didnt stop to think not all vet are equipped with the same supply. not sure if surgery could have done anything, 20 is pretty old so I think it was time, could have been a lot more pleasant though
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Aug.30.2019
11:10PM EDT 
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vertical line no but she got a proper injection so it was not like Socrates, i think he literally suffocated to death, i think that is also what cyanide does, looks peaceful but its not
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Aug.30.2019
11:16PM EDT 
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vertical line Look it is a stupid statement. not in of itself but u never have the context right, i do not know if you do it intentionally. PTSD is subconscious, it is not focused energy as you put it, so they have to distract themselves with routines. I also have a career to switch. plus u 2 take too much care
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Aug.30.2019
11:22PM EDT 
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vertical line if i remember nothing I still do not like you? there is always pointless stress and debt, u are not entertaining for all of it. maybe you misunderstand, i have a busy routine, i only get panic attacks at night
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line well it is two of you bound like some sort of centaur, it is headache, any roommate is better??
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Aug.30.2019
11:26PM EDT 
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vertical line i have minor health conditions? the navy would not let me in, i should not be the one to bail you 2 even if u had a good record with me
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Aug.30.2019
11:27PM EDT 
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vertical line i dont know use numbers more????? you never use numbers
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line it is zazen you mean, no its not u 2 are probably having an orgy while u post that. i dont think u have ever actually done it. true i prefer great music and high attention activity but im pretty sure i sit zazen more after tea
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Aug.30.2019
11:33PM EDT 
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vertical line that is the only time I do zazen, after tea, i do not like it otherwise, if u are going to roommate with me then u are going to have to deal with it
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Aug.30.2019
11:42PM EDT 
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vertical line he never did zazen in his life before!!! he was always panicked or falling asleep
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line now he wants to sell me zazen go away. or sex than zazen. we do not do that around here we want to beat the Chinese
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Aug.30.2019
11:49PM EDT 
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vertical line i am half blind what is there to enjoy in zazen my eyes just ache
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Aug.30.2019
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vertical line ya then u open your damned mouths and it is always something stupid, even worse now that i've seen u write it down
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line u dont do a single chore then u tell me do zazen, I do, just not with you. how about you learn vietnamese and help my grandpa onto the toilet, he can barely stand. u probably never shave, never cook everything is done with your remaining allowance
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line u 2 are from private school and u cannot tutor me in any subject. and you are saying do zazen. how are you going to catch up in anything
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line ok well downtown its the same stuff u do not have a commute u do not have a single damned thing to do that is the point
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i mean u 2 wanted to start a small farm in California u do not have minds or attentions to lose
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line no go back to school i am not taking a zazen may you choke on it
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line it is a 5 minute walk!!!! people like you should not exist
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i walked more than one hour every day to school my whole life, your house is nothing in comparison
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line u 2 did not even do zazen before, u do it now that you want to get out of jail. if you are in jail you will not want zazen
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line how to be automatically aware of a good piece of art, you can't, I think it takes some stuff in the memory, it increases enjoyment only
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line the other explanation of course is that you are gang rapist. when you say relax energy you mean sedation so you can rape and pillage. always jealous of the most absurd things.
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Aug.31.2019
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well it does not sound like you want SFZC routine or you bring my medication

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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line I deal with punks like u all the time. always codependent, always more and more debt, nothing wrong with their bodies, nobody to watch over. they always end up at my doorstep, I cannot tell the difference between them
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line they are always in gangs and they always ask the same retarded questions
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line no not real gang they don't bother me it is usually college students
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line gangs usually only shoot eachother that is good, these people extort other civilians and back off from duel it is the real evil
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line maybe I will have 4 restraining orders when it is done? they all sound the same
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line no im serious they are carbon copies, always the exact same routines the exact same questions
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line wasn't even my dog, one of them left her behind and I had to take over while on the streets half the time. they should be executed imo I do not care if there are systemic issues I voted
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line Gods don't exist else they'd be exchanged??? there are only talking watchdogs like me and the scientific method
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line they do not do anything for their families either I checked with them, we are drawing the knife on these fools, they can start over somewhere else
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line damn cowards
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i am the prison. you go here I follow Mexican law
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line the others go to jail for drugs and you animal abusers want to get out give me a break
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line they do zilch. they sit on their asses, they misdirect all the money, and they leave trash everywhere. they are all overweight. they can never stand being alone for a day. carbon copies.
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line they need to take their attentions off my property and move it somewhere else if they want to avoid the law, it is in my blood
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line they do not realize they have an attention, they need to get off whatever it is that they are taking, drugs, propaganda posters, sex addiction I do not care
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line you need to also get your attention off wherever you are seated, since you did even less for them. they have dogs and a severely disabled person, you only sent one of them to the hospital while one drugs, they are going to physically violent with you
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vertical line they already want to draw a knife on you and they do not even know you left bambi to suffocate???
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i will call the police only, they will skip the police
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line u 2 are called hungry ghost. u are not aware of your own attentions
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i'm not a priest I don't know what to do with you two??? i am a lay follower only, try a temple
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line what you are doing is called bribery, after you sent everyone else, it is against the law you know. I am not interested in your money, it does not even match the fine you are supposed to pay
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i forget everything it does not matter. he wants to sleep with me but I view him like a sibling, and you get murderously jealous, what do you expect me to do
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line well he cant control himself and you cant control anything, so i can't help you
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line well let's see, he sent his sibling to jail for petty crime, he attacked his younger cousin and his grandma, his dog's eye fell out and he left mine when i did not want to sleep with him. he has a retarded cousin that he just wants to kill. you are pretty much just a clumsy copy of him
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vertical line i talked to his cousins?? they are planning to knife u 2 and I havent even told them anything about our relationship
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i didnt tell them anything stupids. his grandparents are fed up with u 2 on their own, they do not talk to you right
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i do not see the big deal? just start over somewhere
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line u have allowance from elsewhere just go there
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line u mean u think i am bluffing when i say I will call the police on him, why dont you try it. because you know I will do it. he sent others for less so
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line they all sound the same to me? everyone i kicked out is exactly like him , i mean different accent but i can't tell the difference lol, they all say the same stuff it is kinda creepy. im serious they talk about zazen
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line no it's not easier??? cause u all have debt and codepency, so it is far more expensive than it looks. plus i get bored
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line codependency*, i'm serious they all have the same type of relationship, i have like 4 different couples that stalk me, some former relatives some former acquaintances
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vertical line they always say they want to help it is absurd, they need to go back to school that is all, one school was fraudulent then try another
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Aug.31.2019
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line well maybe they will ask me to take you in, or maybe they will roommate with me, it is not going to be up to you though
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line if it is up to you there is the law or duel only? it is all over the forum, you do not have self awareness or something
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line the attention and the duel are your energies, not mine. the only other way you are going anywhere with me is through the others
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line no he never came around b4, back when i was on the streets or sent erroneously to psychologist? he only comes when there is money, even tho i fed him
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line im obviously fed up with him? he always loiters everywhere, now he loiters on zen forum
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line he does this thing where he pretends to look for something he knows is not there, like in school he'd pretend to look for his homework he didnt do and waste everyone's time for like 5 minutes
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line now he is pretending that we have a relationship and he is not gang stalking me???
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line yeah or he says that you like me, or that your drivers were still friends, well they probably are again but they werent, or that I watch too much TV etc., i dont even have one in my room. there is something wrong with him
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i am too busy to see him? he does not have anything to do all day. i have to get my grandpa on the toilet. my grandma faints and i have to get her medicines. i do all the housework and the yard. I was starting a second field of study before i had to babysit him, now he drags in a second drunk
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line let's say I see him, then what. just to make him feel better I do not get it. he is not going to feel better, I am just going to give them more reasons to knife him
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i'm pretty easy to please? i do not like backwards people that is all, if there is nothing there you do not say something is there
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line ya exactly he is cowardly and passive aggressive he just barks loud, kinda fed up with him
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i guess he could start something new but i kinda feel old already
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line i just get a headache? you say less attention well then I do not want anyone on the waiting list, you realize i have tons of people waiting for my money right, i dont want to pay attention to them at all. every time they use it it is backwards
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line The Gods come in Bobwidget's a$$.
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Aug.31.2019
01:39PM EDT 
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vertical line Did you post something ndanmai?
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Aug.31.2019
03:25PM EDT 
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Aug.31.2019
03:28PM EDT 
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vertical line Tresspassing too. Everyone is sick of you two, I haven't even told them anything.
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line DId you tell them you were moving in with me. You are going to have to speak to them again.
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Aug.31.2019
03:38PM EDT 
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Aug.31.2019
03:43PM EDT 
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vertical line you should be ashamed of yourselves, talking like you've ever done anything but drag people down. pack your things and leave
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Aug.31.2019
03:46PM EDT 
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vertical line most importantly you dont have a drop of mexican blood. i cannot live with people with no mexican blood, it does not matter if you are zen
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Aug.31.2019
03:48PM EDT 
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vertical line i know you do not have family because they would have sent someone? that is what mexicans do
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Aug.31.2019
03:56PM EDT 
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vertical line I told you I would fund zen practitioner, you are not it, you are tools of Hillary
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line you 2 have not done an ounce zen. if you do it and I fund you then what, I cannot marry your blood.
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Aug.31.2019
06:56PM EDT 
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Aug.31.2019
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Aug.31.2019
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Aug.31.2019
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vertical line Nevermind the money you owe me, nevermind the precepts or the law, I cannot pay for your tranportation and medical.  I told you the first time I met you that you need to understand budget, if you cannot reduce it to my level then you need to move in with whoever is giving you an allowance. Everyone will tell you the same thing.
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Aug.31.2019
07:49PM EDT 
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vertical line Even without transportation and medical it is too high. I am the only one with health issues and it is lower.
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Sep.02.2019
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