When Yang-shan Hui-chi (807-883), as a young monk, paid a visit to the Ch'an master Hsing-k'ung, there was a monk who asked Hsing-k'ung:
-What is the meaning of the Patriarch's coming from the West?
THERE IS OR THERE IS NOT
Chang-ch'o, an educated man, once asked the Chinese Ch'an master Chih-t'sang: -Is there paradise or hell? Chih-t'sang replied: -No. Chang-ch'o protested: -That is not correct. When I was studying under the priest Ching-shan, he always replied, "Yes." Chih-t'sang asked: -Do you have wife and kids? Chang-Ch'o answered: -I have a wife and two kids. Chih-t'sang again asked: -Does the priest Ching-shan have any wife and kids? Chang-ch'o said: -He is a monk, how could he have wife and kids? Chih-t'sang said: -So, wait until when you are like the priest Ching-shan who does not have wife and kids, then say,"No."
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